Watchful..I found where Paul makes that statement about FEARING for the church in Corinth. (Luke 7: 14) But where are these authentic Jesus miracles in WIERDSVILLE ? The elitist claims to have personal relationships with God and regularly receive divine visions. He was making the essential distinction between those who were Gods and those who were not, not a sectarian distinction among those who were Gods. (John said no one can have anything unless God gives it to him Jn3:27), Isaiah Saldivar is doing the same thing today>, http://www.youtube.com/user/TheAwakening209. I have been privileged to partner with the Lord Jesus in such healings in public places with the late Neville Logan back in the 70s. Exd 4:6 KJV And the LORD said furthermore unto him, Put now thine hand into thy bosom. Andrew JH thankyou for that good news update . Marie, i agree, there are people like what you describe. Acts 14:10-15 OFFICIAL UPDATE ON TORBEN SONDERGAARD: January 17, 2023. Its not just a matter of someone professing correct doctrine with their lips, but an indwelling of the Holy Spirit such that, when it acts through us, people are brought to repentance, recognizing Jesus as Lord. Where was the simplicity of Christ there? Hypnotist Torben Sondergaard & his Cult of Demonic Hypnosis - Destroyed by God Perceiving then that they were about to come and take him by force to make him king, Jesus withdrew again to the mountain by himself. Thats not to say that God wont act through people. Especially when it starts out with leg lengthening which seems to have been one of the frauds / hucksters favorite tricks. Finally, Andrew you know I appreciate your zeal and commitment for what you do. But, do you recall a single event, where Jesus did something that the heathen did, or that the enemy did? The unveiling is the culmination of all truths expressed from Genesis to Revelation, for all scripture is centred on one purpose & that is to reveal Christ to us in all His glory. Attacks against his ministry in Denmark began in 2016 when the Jesus Center was investigated by six different Danish government agencies for everything from food safety to unpaid taxes. I find it amazing when you ask to pray for someone, when the Holy Spirit is with you, Ive NEVER had a knock back. Come on people! 2 Thess 2:7-12 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. They also said Torben has lost at least 30 pounds since being jailed, but told CBN News, "It is very clear that God is providing him with supernatural strength and peace. Jesus will outshine all when His servants take their proper place in the kingdom. Amen. Jonathan you said It is not a matter of pooh-poohing miracles, not at all for I have seen the Spirit of God at work, as have so many many believers, but it would never have even dawned on me to get a video camera and if that thought ever came to me I would have to say get thee behind me Satan for thou hast not in mind the things of God but the things of man. That may have been more of satans intent than the immediate deceptions he caused. Everyone needs to be free to be what they were uniquely called and gifted to be. I think God likes what Im doing more than what you are NOT doing.. January 18, 2023 3:58 am Videos; Home. Based on just the video alone, we cannot verify whether these healings are genuine or not. A Florida immigration judge has denied evangelist Torben Sndergaard's request for asylum. Many people, including me, have been warning people on this blog NOT to throw the baby out with the bath water. Bill Johnson can not save anyone, only God can. All I am doing is fulfilling a biblical duty to test the spirits by asking legitimate questions; yet no one seems to want to acknowledge that and recognize it is our duty to test the spirits. I believe we are moving In a Direction where everyone is going to say Truly God has visited us! I believe we will see believers so full of Gods spirit walk into a Veterans hospital and heal every amputee and solider who has lost a limb or body part. Andrew, I am very disappointed that I come here with what I think is grace and humility attempting to speak from Gods word, and yet the response is more name calling and calling me to repentance. comments that try to pick apart every aspect of them. ** This wonderful key aligns our focus when reading His Word. Previous Comments: Please read all previous comment pages if there are any. A bad tree CAN NOT bear good fruit nor can a good tree bear bad fruit. He is an independent agent creating his own kingdom of the world, presenting it as the Kingdom of God. So I am going to be featuring a lot more of Torbens stuff on here. And He asked them, What are you discussing with them? And one of the crowd answered Him, Teacher, I brought You my son, possessed with a spirit which makes him mute; and whenever it seizes him, it slams him to the ground and he foams at the mouth, and grinds his teeth and stiffens out. When He praised the faith of people, it was not because of their orthodox theology, or the fact that they belonged to some organization, but on account of their simple faith in His person, http://awildernessvoice.com/OneBodyInChrist-Chapt06.html, Roger..Absolutely Beautiful. 2 If you really believe what you are saying about Bill Johnson to be true then why dont you say, The Holy Spirit told me that Bill Johnson doesnt belong to God, is not a child of God and is purposefully leading the people of God astray as a messenger of Satan? TLR is a classic cult and Torben Sondergaard is a classic cult leader. Andrew, you and your followers are in huge trouble. Why is there so many reference in the NT of God using blood(death) & water(life) from the OT in making a covenant with His people? Sondergaard claims to be an apostle and healer of the faith. In helping to delineate the true from the false, one thing the Lord made me aware of recently is that the false relies on witchcraft (though they dont know it) whereas the true relies on the Holy Spirit. If those like Torden are burdened to go and minister to the streets to glorify the risen Lord, who would prevent it? Now in the fifteenth year of the reign of Tiberius Caesar, Pontius Pilate being governor of Judea, Herod being tetrarch of Galilee, his brother Philip tetrarch of Iturea and the region of Trachonitis, and Lysanias tetrarch of Abilene, while Annas and Caiaphas were high priests, the word of God came to John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness. I believe that Andrews used an unfortunate choice of words in the second post calling those who sincerely wish to fulfill the biblical duty to test the spirits as a Sad Reaction. It is very glorifying to God to see His manifold wisdom displayed in manifold ways through His many people. However I can understand the skepticism of people not about the miracles but the structure and functioning of christianity. Since all we have available to us is what is on the video, lets use that and test the spirit we see in the video. His legal team told us they have filed an administrative request for release with ICE Detention officer Alan Young, who has the power to order Torben released from custody pending his asylum trial. They left for the U.S. with only what they could carry in 8 suitcases. Stay bless. 4 Then said Paul, John truly baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying to the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. It could be the GLORY Face like Moses manifested. God said to the Apostles, and therefore also to us today Wait upon the Holy Spirit for the power from on high (for the HS unction) and then go out. There are four visions of the Son of Man as He is known in the heavenly realm & each vision in turn carries through to completion one aspect of the fourfold ministry which He exercised when on earth. God is doing a work in all believers. Are you willing to turn from your sins and put your faith / hope / trust in Jesus Christ? In other words, the Innocent One died for us, the guilty. He and his work are counterfeit. My initial reaction of the first video is that it is a hoax. Recently I was working at a ladies house and noticed she was enormously overweight and who had breathing assist aperatuses all over her house . I believe God is Sovereign and all things happen for a reason, as i came to this site after looking up Leon du Preez( Thanks again), but just when i wanted to share that post, i found this one. Only those who were damned to eternal perdition were baptized (dunked UNDER/IN) the water. Bethel practices fire tunnels to get drunk in the spirit. God. Literally what to do to get I totally endorse ministry in the market place rather than in the church, He came to save the world, that is where He ministered, that is where we as His servants should be also. Hi Tom & Deborah And, they continued supporting him. Since the whole of the scriptures CONDEMNS BEING FEARFUL, ANXIOUS AND WORRIED, then I would have to say that Paul was of weak faith when it came to the letter he was writing. Jonathan Yet another person who watched the first 30 seconds of the video and ignored the rest. To handle Gods holy miraculous things with hands of flesh brought forth death not life. For forgiveness of sin? I think the scripture says THEY BELIEVED. a) of those startled by strange sights or occurrences ship. Sndergaard's immigration trial has been set for December 13. To your credit, you were honest and admitted as such. Is this the way we find out first what pleases the Lord, or is it mans view of what The Lord should be pleased with? Poor Christians get demons deceiving them and leading them astray, far away from the real God of the bible. I just watched the original video after reading and watching the second video. (Hebrews 13:8 NASB). 2Corinth 13:1. Hi Shaun. I have actually known Torben personally for 5 or 6 years. Jhn 17:19 NASB For their sakes I sanctify Myself, that they themselves also may be sanctified in truth. As of about 2022, Lene is now 46 years old and born on April 5, 1976. There is no excuse for making such premature judgments and posting them in post after post in public. Sean, son your spirit is so not in tune with Jesus Hearts cry. I`ve felt people try & do that to me. Are multitudes of people following anything proof of it spiritual authenticity? Sorry for hogging the comments here but I cant shut this in or I will explode I to flames !! At some point He believes he is a self appointed apostle with a "Last Reformation" belief system. The Bible is replete with verses about this (some of which I pointed out in m previous post). This genuine move pf God will be marked by a sincer and genuine acceptance of sinners where they are and with all their irreligious lifestyle. Torben himself said we NEVER feel anything, but didnt Jesus feel something when the power of God flowed from Him into the woman who had the issue of blood? Each time they went into battle, THEY INQUIRED OF THE LORD and the Lord told them to put the Ark of the Lord in front of them..and VOILA..they won the battle. (Psalm 34:8 NASB), What you have been through with your mother has strengthened your faith and established the hunger in you to see this established this healing this fullness of what is promised in the atonement in the world in which you live, Lift him up so that he experiences this practically himself and out of the overflow is overflowing Your Power through him to others, to everyone he comes in contact with , Love you brother, the Lord will link you into a team with others who also have this on their heart in your location wherever He takes you . Every time they went in to repair damage it was already healed. a) (Qal) I think a lot of people need to repent. He then slapped his hands on the shoulder itself and commanded the arm to grow out. Now lets take a look at what the scriptures REALLY say about WEIRD things taking place in Jesus Life.not to mention the disciples lives. Last point, going back to the Pharisees, it seems to me that Jesus said that sins against the Son of Man would be forgiven but that blasphemy against the Holy Spirit wouldnt be. So when people tell me I try to obey the Lord , God showed me that really means no I do not obey Him always . ALL of which are used in the NEGATIVE. And this growing awareness of the many gifts and parts of the body has opened a window on seeing Christ in others, it is truly humbling. Like just maybe he wants His fire burning, and not that of others? Share on facebook. 17 minutes of a guy basically saying be healed in Jesus name and they are better. Ezekiel 34: 20 Therefore thus says the Lord God to them: Behold, I Myself will judge between the fat and the lean sheep. . If someone cant just agree that that is what we do as we follow Jesus then they must be going their own way. Most interpret that to be saying that they will say that they themselves are Christ, but I do not believe that is what it is saying. Torben Sondergaard was detained as a national threat for bringing firearms into the country. 3) I am who God said I am It would be hard for God to grow a leg out when the wooden leg is attached. You cannot use this passage to validate water baptism. He sold all he had, quit his job and moved to Redding California, in what he thought was faith, to get his wife healed. And he saw people being healed, getting up off of sick beds in the hospital, going home well, etc. 2023 The Christian Broadcasting Network, Inc., A nonprofit 501 (c)(3) Charitable Organization. Deborah Ellish is the author of the above article. If a person believes I do not have to always obey The Lord Jesus , in their heart they also believe I do have to listen to Jesus . Although not perfect, Andrew is not afraid to call out those who are preaching a false gospel, and that is something I respect him for and have supported him for. It is always Christ plus something else (usually new age). My main point in all this to merely to ask the hard questions. Jesus died for US and it was done perfectly! : of, relating to, or caused by witchcraft OR THE SUPERNATURAL : magical Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. Rev 13:13 13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. Thank you Roger! 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. Thank you Barry, & Gary I read about Wigglesworth from your link, & appreciated it also. Jesus was emphasizing water and the Holy Spirit? You work so hard to promote the flesh that you think you can discredit or attack anyone who says any trickster can appear to lengthen a leg a half inch. Everything about those involved will be ordinary and normal EXCEPT GOD ALMIGHTY WILL BE POWERFULLY PRESENT in supernatural demonstrations of miracle working power, deep heartfelt repentance and devotion to Jesus. Jim makes a very good point. I stand by my statements that all the supposed healings in these videos cannot be objectively proven by the video evidence alone. He doesnt pander to the fallen flesh of man that craves excitement and goosepimples.He does works according to His own will and purposes, to show His love and kindness and authority, to open receptive hearts, etc, but not by way of cow-towing or showing off. A man was in the corner with his shirt off screaming inaudibly at a mirror and writhing about as if he was on fire. We are seeing a hunger and thirst for God even though people dont even know what theyre hungry for. Yes! His Pioneer School videos elucidate the full gospel including repentance, water baptism, Spirit baptism, and evangelism with healing, casting out demons, and signs and wonders. 3.and receive the Holy Spirit of Jesus as their Helper and Comforter. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. It also tells us to test the spirits that claim to act in the Lords name. The Greek word: phobe is used in the NT 110 times. I must say your eisegesis is astonishing. QUIT TRYING TO PUT HIM IN A BOX OF YOUR OWN MAKING. Andrew J Horton, you said I didnt see anything weird or suspect or new age or whatever in any of these YouTube videos . This was not the example of the early church. Share on whatsapp. Jesus is coming soooooon, His return is imminent. You will be glad you did. He had a bout with fear as the guards told him he would spend a long time in prison and then be deported, the fate of virtually all the inmates at ICE's Baker County Facility in Florida. Keep standing strong in the Lord and preaching and demonstrating the Truth in these last days. Wheres the beef in WIERDSVILLE ? The Last Reformation . `in His hand is a sharp sickle.`. No Manuels, no charging new Christians money so they can also heal the sick, no techniques, just a very simple prayer in Jesus name and IT WORKS! Quail falling from the sky 1 Corinthians 10:1. Upon his arrival in the U.S. in 2019, Sndergaard immediately applied for asylum and set up his residence in California while he grew his ministry. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Grant that we can trust you again . I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. Gods word teaches in 1 John 3 & 4 that the Holy Spirit resides in us. I want to speak to God in an unknown language as well! Its called jealously, wanting somethingthat someone else has (all be it unbiblical and totally ungodly). Even the promise od Jesus coming is questioned . 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. How about this MAGIC TRICK: FINDING A GOLD COIN IN A FISHS MOUTH! It is the primary activity of the ekklesias, it is our goal as servants of our Lord Jesus Christ, it is how the world will be reached with the gospel of the Kingdom of God. Yes, the Todd Bentley type situation has made people skeptical in a more overt sense, however the discomfort with many issues rooted in spiritual deception in the practice and structure of christianity, already existed. The Holy Spirit does NOT base this on how HOLY a person is. But let Gods people yield to Jesus and let their Jesus light shine out of them and the world will begin to hate Gods people, will begin to respect Gods people, will begone to fear Gods people and multitudes will begin to LISTEN TO GODS PEOPLE for the lost sheep will begin hear the voice of the Shepherd IN HIS PEOPLE AND WILL FOLLOW HIM. He is NOT MR. Wierdsville! One day, when he was 16, his mother had a stroke. Squashers of joy, and those who make light when someone says theyve been healed by Gods power, would rather remind the church about the warning that many will heal in His Name and do works in His Name and expect entrance into heaven, and Jesus will say, Depart, I never knew you. In fact, OUR MANNA OUGHT TO BE FRESH EVERY MORNING as we progress in our relationship and understanding of Jesus Christ and His Kingdom. Or when did he say Johns Baptism will pass away? We never see any of the apostles commissioning new believers to go out and do this. Or worst, you are possibly even demon possessed according to Torben and this is what is blocking the false Holy Spirit from entering you and baptising you in FIRE. I know of a man whose leg was 1.5 shorter than the other. And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising. Dont let him do it to you. It also helps with our conversation to each other to be encouraging & uplifting, & helps us to discern error when people would give us 1)God is Who HE SAID HE IS. It is always interesting to me how the people who want to use the scriptures to support their OPINIONS, KNOW SO LITTLE ABOUT THE SCRIPTURES. Just confuses people. Ultimately, God has to show this to you, not me. Charismatic Catholics pray over Pope Francis, they either believe by FAITH in Jesus Christ the Son of God or they dont. this man has understanding of what it is all about, going to the needy.Groups of youth go out in Redding, Ca to pray for people. I am fortunate to have a dedicated group of believers in my life wherein we hold each other accountable and encourage each other in a daily walk in the spirit. Lightning amen! Barry I am that lady!! They are still carrying the sting of it, instead of saying, O death where is thy sting? Dont for one moment let the cynics and hopelessness-mongers drag you down. 2) to stand in awe of, be awed Videos. Because they have slowly over time been taught and have become habituated to WIERDSVILLE . Please check your information and try again or call us at 1-800-759-0700. We have all learned those past lessons of gullibility and stupidity in embracing that charismatic sorcery. It had all turned into an idolatrous commotion a long time ago and the presence of God left the house they dont know they are playing with fire new age spirits which are actually the same devils of Hinduism, Buddhism etc. I asked her if me and my apprentice could pray for her. Indeed we are one body, a living organsim, having one head (Lord Jesus), with the body having many diverse members, each with differing giftings and callings, as determined by the one Holy Spirit. For those who accuse us of being guilty for following and receiving the Holy Scriptures promise in Acts, then we guilty as charged. If a man comes performing miracles and his LIFESTYLE is one of self seeking, self indulgence, immorality, greed, materialism, selfish ambition THAT MAN IS A WOLF! In 2015, Torben Sndergaard quoted this as a prediction of Torben Sndergaards own work in Denmark: 10 years ago, a man came from the US to Denmark with a prophetic word to us our country. INTERVIEW WITH DR. BROWN Consider how different Torben's Jesus is from the Jesus in the Scriptures. The Gospel of Luke is about Christ the Mediator, the One who is touched with the feelings of our infirmities. We warn our children not to do things with their safety in mind but we dont call in fearmongering! And when man USES these things, that is witchcraft. Only Joshua and Caleb and their wives and sons and daughters were ultimately allowed to enter the Promised Land. (1 John 5:5 NASB). He may have started well, got saved and followed Jesus but he as well, like many others got deceived and now is leading thousands to destruction. Going beyond the person to see what the Lord is doing in & through them. Today believers are not baptised John the Baptist and there is no need to be re-baptised over and over and over again they either believe by FAITH in Jesus Christ the Son of God or they dont. I believe they would prefer to keep the status quo going, so that they do not feel compelled to go out in the highways and biways themselves. According to the doctrine of Pentecostalism, if you cant speak in tongues, then you are not saved. Torben is the founder of The Last Reformation, a worldwide movement that seeks to return Christianity to the Book of Acts. Do you think that mere men can in any way challenge God Himself and disprove what God is doing? So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God. It is actually part and parcel of the Hebrew Roots Movement as well, all bound together in a nice Roman Catholicpurple ribbon. My only goal here is to honor and glorify our Lord Jesus, not to attack anyone. The devil visited Jesus, just as the devil visits us in one form or another. They do nothing themselves. In fact, they should welcome any such testing. As an aside, God doesnt need to use any of us to heal anyone. This has all transpired over the course of 8 weeks. This was Torontos biggest probblem as far as Im concerned, I was there and saw it. Andrew J, at least you dont call Bill Johnson a cancer on the Body of Christ! A creator, a public speaker, a faith healer, and a Danish Christian evangelist named Torben Sondergaard has stated that God addressed him directly. , A google search will bring up links on this subject.. here is one link: http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/orrel46.pdf, The Lord Jesus Christ He is true God and true man.. Jhn 17:15 NASB I do not ask You to take them out of the world, but (I ask You) TO KEEP THEM FROM THE EVIL ONE. Initially, he was shocked. It boils down to: YOU DONT KNOW HOW GOD OPERATES AND YOU NEVER WILL. Those that would criticize any such testing should take a step back and realize there is nothing unbiblical about testing such spirits as long as it is done with the right intent. All Rights Reserved. One more thing. that scripture which states that the Power of God was present for Jesus to heal that was how far Jesus humbled Himself He was totally God while on earth but humbled Himself to only act under the Power of the Holy Spirit giving us an example that we should follow in His steps, He (Bill Johnston) explained that very clearly in his sermon, I checked him out earlier on in the year for myself , Another correction: but was performing . However, when I have sinned and defiled my soul, I MUST go to Jesus and plead with Him to wash me with his blood. Only God is holy and only God can and will do His holy works in and through us. Now was I healed, by the Healer, Lord Jesus (to whom I give all credit, thanks and the glory) because of the leg pulling method, or despite it..? I still have a lot on my heart regarding TLR, the kickstarts, etc. It is in our HEART how we treat the things of God but that is what repentance is for, and growth. 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